iOS 6.1.3 Untethered Jailbreak: Pod2g, P0sixninja and Evad3rs Meet in Amsterdam to Discuss Mobile Security But Will Next Jailbreak Be On The Agenda?
Ever since the iOS 6.1.3 update released people have been asking, "Can we expect an iOS 6.1.3 untethered jailbreak" for iPhone 5, 4S, iPad 2 and other devices unable to jailbreak the system via redsn0w? The answer coming from every Evad3rs team member and former Chronic-Dev Team member Joshua Hill has been emphatically no, they are not working on the next jailbreak and if they were, it wouldn't be iOS 6.1.3. Pod2g has been the most recent to come forward publicly and say that 6.1.3 would not see an evasi0n jailbreak in a tweet issued this Friday:
"We [evad3rs] are not working on a 6.1.3 jailbreak, that would be too much efforts for a minimal update. We're waiting for a major release."
By major release we can assume pod2g is referring to iOS 7 yet, even that is not certain. In a discussion Cyril and I had soon after ios 6.1.1 released, he mentioned that if an iOS 6.2 were to come about, this could change the game significantly. Of course Apple has given no indication that we should expect a iOS 6.2 release, yet still it is a factor to hold in mind.
@P0sixninja Won't Release iOS 6.1.3 Untethered Jailbreak Either
Many were disappointed this last week as their hopes were raised upon seeing Joshua Hill aka @p0sixninja tweet that he may be the one to release the next jailbreak.
"Well, so far it looks like the next jailbreak might be created entirely by me." Hill tweeted.
A few moments later he added this aside:
"Evad3rs haven't gone anywhere, I've just discovered all the needed exploits on my own over the past few months."
Still, when I spoke to Hill, he assured me he, like @pod2g, @planetbeing and the rest of the evad3rs, he would not burn exploits on such a minor update and certainly if and when he releases his alleged jailbreak, it would be for iOS 7 or iOS 7.1.
In addition, no restore option is in the works for iOS 6 systems through redsn0w other than those options open to 3GS and iPhone 4. According to both @planetbeing and @MuscleNerd, this would require a whole other jailbreak process they are currently unable to accomplish at this time.
Still, in my last conversation with @planetbeing, he assured me that though the IRC chat had been quiet of late, likely the Evad3rs would begin dreaming up new plans very soon. Today, each boarded a plane to meet up in Amsterdam for the HITB security conference at which they are speaking.
The Evad3rs will be there offering a presentation about their most recent iOS 6 untethered jailbreak, and once the video becomes available of the presentation, we will be posting it here at iDesignTimes.
@P0sixninja and @Pod2g Prepare to Meet: Will They Reunite Forces For the Next iOS Untethered Jailbreak?
Still, the evd3rs are not the only fellows looking to meet up and discuss a few plans. It seems that @p0sxninja may be sharing a bit of his work with former Chronic-Dev Team members pod2g and @pimskeks as he will be seeing them both at HITB as well. @P0sixninja and @pod2g will be conducting a class together on mobile hacking, but in their spare time they could be discussing the next jailbreak as the two light-heartedly joked about their upcoming meeting just this week.
After his announcement that he could be releasing the next jailbreak, @p0sixninja sent this message to former teammate @pod2g:
"I've been trying to contact you about them for awhile but I guess you've been busy. Oh well you can't avoid me at #HITB2013AMS"
A few days later, @pod2g, who has been busy with some fuzzing and vulnerability seeking of his own replied:
"I won't avoid you at #HITB2013AMS :)"
According to Joshua Hill, he hopes to meet up with all the guys he formerly worked with on the iPhone Dream Team to discuss his findings. Only time will tell though how those discussions go down.
@Pod2G Tweets Update On Vulnerability Search: Is JailbreakMe 4.0 On The Way?
Meanwhile, @pod2g has promised to schedule an interview with me upon his return from HITB to answer questions related to his Webkit fuzzing and the vulnerabilities found thus far. Many onlookers have become curious if a jailbreakme 4.0 could be what we should expect for the next jailbreak and though I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that question already, I look forward to speaking with Cyril himself for the full scoop. Till that time, if you haven't caught up on all the news concerning iOS 6.1.3 , @p0sixninja's claims and more, be sure to see the attached articles below.
Could an iOS 6.1.3 untethered jailbreak for iPhone, iPod and iPad be on its way, or will we be waiting for iOS 7? This was the question many twitter users were asking last night as p0sixninja tweeted something that has immediately gathered the attention of every blogger in the jailbreak community--including myself.
"Well, so far it looks like the next jailbreak might be created entirely by me." said Joshua Hill (@p0sixninja) Thursday night.
To which moments later he added this:
"Evad3rs haven't gone anywhere, I've just discovered all the needed exploits on my own over the past few months"
After 6 weeks of celebrating the evasi0n untethered jailbreak for iOS 6.0-6.1.2, Apple finally successfully patched key exploits in the jailbreak, citing the evad3rs for four out of the six vulnerabilities patched in iOS 6.1.3.
Since that time, we've heard little from the iOS 6 jailbreak developers as they have been taking a much-needed hiatus from the scene.
When I asked David Wang aka @planetbeing recently if work on the iOS 6.1.3 jailbreak or iOS 7 jailbreak was currently taking place, here is what he had to say:
"No work is currently being done and our IRC channel has been pretty quiet, but we'll likely start back up when we go to HITBSec Conf"
The evad3rs are scheduled to speak at the HITB security conference next week on April 11th at which time they will discuss the key vulnerabilities used to create the iOS 6 untethered evasi0n jailbreak.
Though most within the community are still quite happy with the iOS 6-6.1.2 untethered jailbreak they are currently running on their iPhones, iPads and iPods, some however have requested a jailbreak for iOS 6.1.3 as restore is no longer an option through redsn0w for A5+ devices.
Though I recently spoke to @MuscleNerd and he stated that an update was soon coming for redsn0w, unfortunately this won't involve a restore or revert option down to iOS 6 or below jailbreaks, even with saved shsh blobs. So those who have to perform a reinstall of the iOS system on an iPhone 4S or above, they will be stuck with iOS 6.1.3 and be without an untethered or tethered jailbreak.
It is for this reason, when p0sixninja's announcement hit the twittersphere Thursday night, the first line of questions people were asking is "will you make the untethered jailbreak available for iOS 6.1.3?"
Well guys, I hate to tell you, but that answer is emphatically no. When I spoke to p0sixninja last night, this is what he had to say on the matter.
"I will at least wait for 7.0, if not even 7.1"
To that he added this:
"I've ... been working on it [a while]. Some of them [vulnerabilities] were ideas I had years ago, but everyone said I was crazy, and I've just started looking into them more and realizing I was right..."
Though he declined to answer when I asked if he intended to work with other former team members on this pursuit, it appears he could be considering it, as this morning, @p0sixninja responded to a tweet by @pod2g concerning the recent announcement he had made.
Pod2g, as many know, has been working hard lately on a new fuzzing tool for Webkit and has shared a few of his successes through twitter the last few weeks. This morning he had this to say about his progress:
Admiring fans had plenty of good wishes for pod2g, but one in particularly offered some information it appears pod2g was completely unaware of.
"What are your thoughts on @p0sixninja saying the next jailbreak would come from him alone?"
To which pod2g responded:
"I don't know, it's a been a few weeks I am not into jailbreaking. But if he says it, it's certainly true (?)."
Soon after, p0sixninja popped into the conversation offering this:
"I've been trying to contact you about them [vulnerabilities] for awhile but I guess you've been busy. Oh well you can't avoid me at #HITB2013AMS"
And indeed, this is true as both pod2g and p0sixninja are conducting a class together with Blake Turentine on Mobile Hacking April 9th.
Of course p0sixninja we know is not the only one hanging on to spare vulnerabilities in the iOS 6 system for use in another jailbreak. As pod2g revealed in January, he also has some remaining, and they would be used in the next jailbreak. When I asked him specifically, he told me the evad3rs team would certainly wait for iOS 7.
With this knowledge in mind, either we will see a powerful rejoining of former teammates to create the iOS 7 jailbreak or we could be looking at a crazed and competitive race to iOS 7 depending on how things go down at HITB.
At this point we don't really know what the outcome of all this talk will be, or where the individual players will end up-together or pitted against one another, but two things we know for certain:
No, there will be no iOS 6.1.3 untethered jailbreak for iPhones, iPads and iPods, and yes, the iOS 7 jailbreak scene is already getting hot.
To me, it looks like it might be like old times. For those who fear the jailbreak scene is about to die, my answer is, hardly.
As leading evad3rs jailbreak team member @MuscleNerd tweeted yesterday,
"IOS 6.1.3 is out. Jailbreakers stay away! There's no coming back to 6.1.2 JB even if you saved blobs"
By now I think most of the jailbreak community is aware that an iOS 6.1.3 untethered jailbreak for iPhone 5, 4S, iPad 2 and other A5+ devices is not currently available through evasi0n or redsn0w and is most certainly not in the works. In addition, there is currently no way to downgrade or restore from iOS 6.1.3 to a lower operating system through redsn0w on the A5 or above devices so please do not believe any claims that may have surfaced saying as much. I have already seen too many videos claiming it is possible and I fear some new jailbreaker will lose their jailbreak due to misinformation. As of Tuesday evening, the iOS 6.1.2 signing window was closed and so there truly is no going back if you own an A5 or above device. I spoke to David Wang aka @Planetbeing today who confirmed that fact that no jailbreak for 6.1.3 was available with the following message:
"No work is currently being done and our IRC channel has been pretty quiet, but we'll likely start up again when we go to HITBSecConf."
What Devices Can Jailbreak iOS 6.1.3 or Downgrade from iOS 6.1.3?
An iOS 6.1.3 untethered jailbreak is currently only available for 3GS or in semi-tethered format for iPhone 4. Additionally, in terms of restore options, the only devices currently able to downgrade from 6.1.3 with saved blobs are the iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS and the iPod Touch 4th Gen according to @MuscleNerd.
If you own a pre-A5 device such as iPhone 3GS or 4 and want to downgrade iOS 6.1.3, visit this link for instructions. You can also jailbreak the iPhone 3GS untethered or the iPhone 4 semi-tethered by visiting the iPhone Dev Team's blog, download, the latest version of Redsn0w, and follow the very simple instructions provided.
I will warn though, there are any number of fraudulent websites out there posing as the official evad3rs or redsn0w website. Please do not be fooled. The only two websites where jailbreak tools should be trusted are from http://blog.iphone-dev.org ( iPhone Dev team and home of Redsn0w) or http://evasi0n.com (home of the evasi0n iOS 6 jailbreak)
When Will an iOS 6.1.3 Jailbreak Arrive for iPhone 5 and A5+ Devices?
For those who are curious as to whether or not an iOS 6.1.3 untethered jailbreak for iPhone 5, 4S, iPad 2, and other A5+ devices will surface, there is a pretty good chance we will be holding out for iOS 7. However, if any new developments arise, I will be sure to post. Till that time, hang tight to your iOS 6.1.2 jailbreak, don't install any "iffy" tweaks.
To read more about the possibility of an iPhone 5 restore option from iOS 6.1.3 to iOS 6.1.2 via David Wang, check out an earlier article I published last month, below.
(First published, 02/25/12)
It's been just three weeks since the iOS 6 untethered jailbreak was released by the evad3rs dev team, and yet already plans are being made by Apple to patch it. As @planetbeing confirmed in an interview with Forbes on Monday, there is a strong possibility it won't be long before we see a patch for that newly acquired iOS 6 jailbreak, coming in the form of the iOS 6.1.3 update. Curious what the future of jailbreaking might hold, I reached out to David Wang this evening for some additional answers regarding the iOS 6.1.3 update.
Though the two previous updates to iOS 6.1--6.1.1 and 6.1.2--both came without patching the Evasi0n untethered jailbreak, its seems the latest iOS 6.1.3 beta which seeded to developers just last week, has already patched at least one key vulnerability.
After analyzing the current beta, David Wang aka @planetbeing told Forbes at least one of the five essential bugs in iOS 6 was patched and could render the jailbreak worthless.
"If one of the vulnerabilities doesn't work, evasi0n doesn't work," he says. "We could replace that part with a different vulnerability, but [Apple] will probably fix most if not all of the bugs we've used when 6.1.3 comes out."
Of course as many of you remember, in an interview just before the release of Evasi0n 6.1, @pod2g let me know that the team did have some extra vulnerabilities they were hanging on to for use in the next jailbreak.
"When trying to help them, I found other vulnerabilities, but we won't use them for that jailbreak. Next one certainly..." said @Pod2g in January.
However, finding vulnerabilities in iOS these days is no easy task and if 6.1.3 successfully patches evasi0n, it's possible those vulnerabilities discovered by @pod2g may be saved for future exploitation in iOS 7.
When I spoke with David Wang Monday evening however, Here is what he had to say:
"It depends on what they patch, but probably will wait until the next iOS version to release a jailbreak".
Following that question, I asked what the status was on a restore option for iOS 6x such as was provided through redsn0w for the iOS 5 jailbreak.
Unfortunately, Wang tells me that at this time, the prospect of a restore and downgrade option is looking a bit grim.
"I don't think that is possible with our current knowledge, unfortunately." said @planetbeing.
"The simplest explanation is that being able to restore your device to anything other than the current version of iOS is something Apple obviously tries to disallow through their update system. Any way around that, even restoring your device to its current version if there's a newer version available, is essentially another bug or security vulnerability..."
In other words, these guys would be looking for basically another jailbreak of sorts. One which would allow for downgrading to iOS 5, or 6 with saved SHSH blobs. As we know, this option never did become available for the iPhone 4S and other A5+ devices.
Though the fellows certainly will be looking into it further, one thing we all have to realize is, apart from the fact that they are providing updates regularly to Cydia, helping with support Q and A, and prepping for upcoming conferences, they also all have day jobs. As a result, things have to be completed in order of priority.
Up to this point the jailbreak had been safe and indeed it still maybe for another month or more, as typically iOS updates don't roll out as quickly as the last two did.
For now though, knowing what is ahead, it is vital that you save your blobs, even if no restore option is currently available to you. If there are tweaks and themes you want to try out, do it now while the jailbreak is still solid, that way any possible restore situations arise now while the signing window for iOS 6.1.2 is still open. Prepare you device exactly as you want it, so that in the case the jailbreak is patched, hopefully you'll have no reasons to need a full restore on your device.
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